Amphetamine synthesis from P2NP via Al/Hg (video)

[WillD]

What happens to my product, if it is too alkaline, say 13/14. Is there then more sodium sulphate in my amine or can it even be destroyed?

Ruedi689don't worry about it

What core temperature should I pay attention to during amalgamation?

Before adding a solution of P2NP, you can chilled at 0*C. Add will be easier, but after needed forced heating, you need 60*C. Such control allows you to put large scale.

Then I have another question... I neutralize with battery acid 37%, do I still have to add alcohol if so, how much?

You need to evaporate the water as much as possible, before adding alcohol. Less water - less alcohol is necessary. A lot of alcohol is bad, because he does not give the whole product without evaporation.

Hgcl2 or hgno3 what is the difference in the Final product

no difference

 

[Ruedi689]

he only delivers to commercial customers

MilfMakerHe has to say that. I can only give you the tip. Order the desired product and pay immediately. Then send transfer confirmation to his email. Nothing will stand in the way of your delivery. You can call your business xy. The dealer refrains from a ust-id.

 

[anotherNovice]

The route from P2NP with amalgam (if there is mercury) the best way for a novice, although it seems difficult.

William DampierThank you. Apologies I think I was unclear. The mehtod is not what appears difficult to me, rather obtaining the chemicals, specifically nitroethane and to some degree benzaldehyde. Aside from attempting synthesis for nitroethane, any adive on trusted suppler? Apologies if not appropriate area to ask.

 

[Ruedi689]

Danke schön. Entschuldigung, ich glaube, ich war unklar. Die Methode ist nicht das, was mir schwierig erscheint, sondern die Beschaffung der Chemikalien, insbesondere Nitroethan und bis zu einem gewissen Grad Benzaldehyd. Abgesehen von dem Versuch, eine Synthese für Nitroethan zu versuchen, gibt es einen Hinweis auf einen vertrauenswürdigen Lieferanten? Entschuldigung, wenn nicht der richtige Bereich zum Fragen.

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[Ruedi689]

Danke schön. Entschuldigung, ich glaube, ich war unklar. Die Methode ist nicht das, was mir schwierig erscheint, sondern die Beschaffung der Chemikalien, insbesondere Nitroethan und bis zu einem bestimmten Grad Benzaldehyd. Abgesehen von dem Versuch, eine Synthese für Nitroethan zu versuchen, gibt es einen Hinweis auf einen zertifizierten Lieferanten? Entschuldigung, wenn nicht der richtige Bereich zum Fragen.

anotherNovice

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[Ruedi689]

Mach dir keine Sorgen

Bevor Sie eine Lösung von P2NP hinzufügen, können Sie bei 0 ° C kühlen. Das Hinzufügen ist einfacher, aber nach der erforderlichen Zwangserhitzung benötigen Sie 60 * C. Eine solche Steuerung ermöglicht es Ihnen, große Maßstäbe zu setzen.

Sie müssen das Wasser so weit wie möglich verdampfen, bevor Sie Alkohol hinzufügen. Weniger Wasser - weniger Alkohol ist notwendig. Viel Alkohol ist schlecht, weil er nicht das ganze Produkt ohne Verdunstung gibt.

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William DampierThank you very much. If I understand correctly, the following applies: Piston armed with aluminum + h2o in an ice bath and loosen my hgcl2 separately before I add it to the piston? What temperature does my warm clear p2np + ipa solution need before I add it?

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Should both suspensions of amalgam and caustic soda be cooled to 0c

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I add acetone immediately after the separation

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Have battery acid as well as concentrated sulfuric acid, do I have to produce alcoholic sulfuric acid myself?

 

[cyb3r0]

Before the start of the synthesis, the laboratory assistant prepared a solution of 10 g of 1-phenyl-2-nitropropene in 100 ml of isopropyl alcohol and 50 ml of acetic acid. Also, for the aluminium amalgam, 12 g of household aluminium foil was prepared, which was cut into small pieces with a paper shredder. It can be cut with scissors or torn by hand.

HIGGS BOSSONWhat temperature should I put this preparation at?

 

[anotherNovice]

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Ruedi689Thank you, unfortunately the EU does not work for me but I appreciate the advice.

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

What temperature should I put this preparation at?

cyb3r0Make the solution at room temperature, but to dissolve the crystals, you can heat up a little

 

[cyb3r0]

I want to reduce the amount of water, can I apply 500 ml and do I have to reduce the proportions of the rest of the reagents?

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

I want to reduce the amount of water, can I apply 500 ml and do I have to reduce the proportions of the rest of the reagents?

cyb3r0Where to reduce? In an alkali solution? Write to me in private messages, I will tell you everything in detail

 

[cyb3r0]

This yield is this amphetamine? How do I know it is amphetamine and does it have a smell?

 

[pdwshopnl]

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Vogel's Practical Organic Chemistry

 

[cyb3r0]

Does amphetamine need to be removed after the synthesis process?

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

Does amphetamine need to be removed after the synthesis process?

cyb3r0It is amphetamine if you obtained this powder by reducing phenylnitropropene. It should taste bitter. What do you mean by remove?

 

[cyb3r0]

Should amphetamine be purified after the synthesis process?

Is the amphetamine extracted from this formula ready for sale or does it need to be purified?

At the end of this clip, amphetamine was extracted. Is this ready or does it need a purification process?

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

Should amphetamine be purified after the synthesis process?

Is the amphetamine extracted from this formula ready for sale or does it need to be purified?

At the end of this clip, amphetamine was extracted. Is this ready or does it need a purification process?

cyb3r0Amphetamine can be purified by washing with cold alcohol or acetone, this will be enough if the color of the substance is white.

 

[pdwshopnl]

Why on erowid People who do IT reaction uses diluted glacial acetic acid ~ about 70-75% for reduction?
And second thing they are uses more acid to reduce nitropropene for 1g p2np they use 10 ml GAA and dilute IT with water.

In synthesis from this topic, for 1g p2np they use 5ml GAA.

Its 50% different for reagent who give Hydrogen in reduction.

What reduction will be better? With water (from erowid) or without water (this topic)?

Reduction of Nitroalkenes with Aluminium Amalgam - [www.rhodium.ws]

Text from this link:
#4. Reduction of unsubstituted P2NP by HyperLab Bee #2.


Into a 3-L FBF there was placed 100 mls water, 250mls GAA and a solution of 1g mercury in 2-3 mls conc. HNO3.
52 g (2 packs 10 meters each) of Al foil were folded into 7-8 layers, cut in pieces 3x3 cm and loaded into the flask.
The flask was heated to 40 °C. When the start of amalgamation was clearly visible in several minutes, heating was discontinued and into the reaction there was added a suspension of 30 g non-recrystallized phenyl-2-nitropropene in a mixture of 50 mls GAA and 100mls IPA (nitropropene was obtained a la Barium’s MeAm condensation - an important notion since this method gives the product of superior purity).

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

Why on erowid People who do IT reaction uses diluted glacial acetic acid ~ about 70-75% for reduction?
And second thing they are uses more acid to reduce nitropropene for 1g p2np they use 10 ml GAA and dilute IT with water.

In synthesis from this topic, for 1g p2np they use 5ml GAA.

Its 50% different for reagent who give Hydrogen in reduction.

What reduction will be better? With water (from erowid) or without water (this topic)?

Reduction of Nitroalkenes with Aluminium Amalgam - [www.rhodium.ws]

Text from this link:
#4. Reduction of unsubstituted P2NP by HyperLab Bee #2.


Into a 3-L FBF there was placed 100 mls water, 250mls GAA and a solution of 1g mercury in 2-3 mls conc. HNO3.
52 g (2 packs 10 meters each) of Al foil were folded into 7-8 layers, cut in pieces 3x3 cm and loaded into the flask.
The flask was heated to 40 °C. When the start of amalgamation was clearly visible in several minutes, heating was discontinued and into the reaction there was added a suspension of 30 g non-recrystallized phenyl-2-nitropropene in a mixture of 50 mls GAA and 100mls IPA (nitropropene was obtained a la Barium’s MeAm condensation - an important notion since this method gives the product of superior purity).

pdwshopnlYou can use diluted acetic acid. Excess acid does not interfere with reduce, but it will have to be extinguished with the appropriate amount of alkali, which will lead to an increased consumption of reagents and time, since more heat will be released when the acid interacts with the alkali. In the described technique, they simultaneously carry out amalgamation with a mercury salt and a reduction reaction. In my technique, the foil is first treated with an aqueous solution of mercury salt, which is then drained, which makes the product cleaner.

 

[TIMBER12]

You can use diluted acetic acid. Excess acid does not interfere with reduce, but it will have to be extinguished with the appropriate amount of alkali, which will lead to an increased consumption of reagents and time, since more heat will be released when the acid interacts with the alkali. In the described technique, they simultaneously carry out amalgamation with a mercury salt and a reduction reaction. In my technique, the foil is first treated with an aqueous solution of mercury salt, which is then drained, which makes the product cleaner.

HIGGS BOSSONWill I be okay if I used %94 acetic acid?

 

[DEA:)]

Hi,

I need to get back to the sulfuric acid, is there any alternative to crystallize the amphetamine? Would tartaric acid be an option, to receive amphetamine tartrate?

Thx