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I will answer all in one post.
Acids are used a lot for the inertness of the temperature when an aqueous solution of glycidate is added dropwise, the reaction took place immediately and the free ketone was immediately distilled with steam. That is, the initial reaction temperature is about 110 degrees, when an aqueous solution of glycidate is added dropwise, it drops to 108 degrees.
Also, an excess of acid makes the mixture homogeneous; in such a mixture, hydrolysis occurs instantly.
The acid can be optimized based on the fact that we need to dissolve sodium phosphates, make the mixture homogeneous and sufficiently heat-resistant.
12 ml of water per gram of glycidate is needed for the steam distillation of p2p, my research has given that 10-11 ml of water is needed to distill 1 ml of p2p, that is, I provided some margin for complete isolation of the ketone from the reaction mass.

For this hydrolysis, it is better to use glycidate rather than sodium salt, in which case much less acid can be used, and there is also no consumption of acid for the formation of sodium phosphate.

This technique gives the maximum yield, plus all the ketone is steam distilled and can be used without purification.
Set the dropping at a speed so that the temperature of the mixture does not fall below 105 degrees, that is, everything goes almost automatically, the more acid and the more powerful the heating, the higher the rate of dropping. I have a technique for scaling, but it is purely commercial (conversion from 5 to 500 kg of glycidate per reaction), so it will not be published.
 

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I will answer all in one post.
Acids are used a lot for the inertness of the temperature when an aqueous solution of glycidate is added dropwise, the reaction took place immediately and the free ketone was immediately distilled with steam. That is, the initial reaction temperature is about 110 degrees, when an aqueous solution of glycidate is added dropwise, it drops to 108 degrees.
Also, an excess of acid makes the mixture homogeneous; in such a mixture, hydrolysis occurs instantly.
The acid can be optimized based on the fact that we need to dissolve sodium phosphates, make the mixture homogeneous and sufficiently heat-resistant.
12 ml of water per gram of glycidate is needed for the steam distillation of p2p, my research has given that 10-11 ml of water is needed to distill 1 ml of p2p, that is, I provided some margin for complete isolation of the ketone from the reaction mass.

For this hydrolysis, it is better to use glycidate rather than sodium salt, in which case much less acid can be used, and there is also no consumption of acid for the formation of sodium phosphate.

This technique gives the maximum yield, plus all the ketone is steam distilled and can be used without purification.
Set the dropping at a speed so that the temperature of the mixture does not fall below 105 degrees, that is, everything goes almost automatically, the more acid and the more powerful the heating, the higher the rate of dropping. I have a technique for scaling, but it is purely commercial (conversion from 5 to 500 kg of glycidate per reaction), so it will not be published.
w2x3f5Good morning sir.
I know nothing about chemistry.
I have a question. Distill immediately after addition. Was dehydroxylation completed in such a short period of time?
When I use phosphoric acid to reflux 5449, when I add phosphoric acid to the 5449 solution, it immediately separates into an oil layer. But he was not finished and needed to reflow for more than 4 hours.
Is the final product using your approach P2P?
What is the profit rate for this P2P to convert sodium borohydride into methamphetamine?
 

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Good morning sir.
I know nothing about chemistry.
I have a question. Distill immediately after addition. Was dehydroxylation completed in such a short period of time?
When I use phosphoric acid to reflux 5449, when I add phosphoric acid to the 5449 solution, it immediately separates into an oil layer. But he was not finished and needed to reflow for more than 4 hours.
Is the final product using your approach P2P?
What is the profit rate for this P2P to convert sodium borohydride into methamphetamine?
qwe111I have distillation with water vapor P2P from boiling mixture of glycidate \ phosphoric acid \ water, or by microwave irradiation until the excretion of carbon dioxide is stopped and then distillation with steam. If you have a separation, then you can use more acid / water, I had this because of the loss of sodium phosphates, but usually I worked with free glycidate. Amin's crop is 70+ percent of the theory (it may be higher if you observe the conditions and get the maximum output of the intermediate Imin), with recovery amination in sodium borhydrid, from the p2P.
 

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The method provided in this threat (thumbs up to @Heisenblack and @w2x3f5) was tested on a medium scale with 500g BMK powder (sodium salt) CAS 5449-12-7).
The only difference to the method described was the use of jacketed glass reactor.

1000ml of 85% phosphoric acid (p.a. purity) were added to the reactor, heated and stirred. In the meantime 500g BMK powder were dissolved in 6 liter boiling/very hot H2Od..

As the phosphoric acid reached 110 C the BMK powder solution was added slowly through a dropping funnel with constant pressure. The temperature was held in a narrow range of 108C to 112 C, by adjusting the dropping speed of the BMK powder solution. This addition process took appr. 5 h.

After collecting some 3200 ml of distillate the product was extracted with 2x500ml DCM. The combined extracts were dried over sodium sulfate and the solvent removed by rotovap.

So far so good. But the yield of 168 ml was quite disappointing. What went wrong? At the time being i have no clue what it is or what to change in the procedure.
 
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The method provided in this threat (thumbs up to @Heisenblack and @w2x3f5) was tested on a medium scale with 500g BMK powder (sodium salt) CAS 5449-12-7).
The only difference to the method described was the use of jacketed glass reactor.

1000ml of 85% phosphoric acid (p.a. purity) were added to the reactor, heated and stirred. In the meantime 500g BMK powder were dissolved in 6 liter boiling/very hot H2Od..

As the phosphoric acid reached 110 C the BMK powder solution was added slowly through a dropping funnel with constant pressure. The temperature was held in a narrow range of 108C to 112 C, by adjusting the dropping speed of the BMK powder solution. This addition process took appr. 5 h.

After collecting some 3200 ml of distillate the product was extracted with 2x500ml DCM. The combined extracts were dried over sodium sulfate and the solvent removed by rotovap.

So far so good. But the yield of 168 ml was quite disappointing. What went wrong? At the time being i have no clue what it is or what to change in the procedure.
K-CyanideHey, brother.
The reaction time in this way is too short. Is the product obtained p2p? What about the benefits of converting to methyl?
I plan to start this experiment, but I don't quite get it!
 

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I wont add water vapor, it will be solved in boiling water like original process and it will be added in portions to rotavap in low vacuum avoiding instant water evaporation during addition once added turn the normal vacuum again.
The process that are you describing is the standard steam distillation for amphetamine freebase ;-)
 

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After adding acid, the pH is less than 3, and the RM color turns green. Very strange, I wonder if I did it right?
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can you make a video for this sir
 

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i am merely a beginner but followed the instruction and retrieved p2p oil. scaling up is possible? 250g for example will be bmk/phosphoric/water x5?
Bmk 250g/phosphoric 500ml/water 3L? no change to DCM? thanks everyone
 

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also the salts on the bottom of the flask is not helping with the bumping you are experiencing they need to be removed before boiling stones are added
 

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Good morning sir.
I know nothing about chemistry.
I have a question. Distill immediately after addition. Was dehydroxylation completed in such a short period of time?
When I use phosphoric acid to reflux 5449, when I add phosphoric acid to the 5449 solution, it immediately separates into an oil layer. But he was not finished and needed to reflow for more than 4 hours.
Is the final product using your approach P2P?
What is the profit rate for this P2P to convert sodium borohydride into methamphetamine?
 
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